All rules and stats for the Pathfinder 2 dispel magic spell. Or you could cast Dispel Magic to counterspell the Darkness. No problem, makes sense that once that fireball goes off, it's gone, you can't dispel it later in the round. This check is not high enough to end the stoneskin (which would have required a 23 or higher), but it is high enough to end the fly (which only required a 17).
One place in the rule book says you can, another place says you cannot.
"..you must make a dispel check to counter the other spellcaster's spell." This is used to dispel a specific spell that you can identify and name, but again, this is for a spell already in place.Or does it depend on whether or not you can identify the spell being cast?
If you were a non-gish wizard I would shame you but as a Sorcerer do what you want.Hmm, I did think about that, but then the wand/scroll's counteract level is fixed? That way you damage them AND force a check to lose their spell. Doesn't that start posing a problem when dealing with hazards with high counter levels? This is harder because you have to be there at the right time and right place, plan ahead, and ready an action.
My DM is stuck on the 'can't be defeated by Dispel Magic' bit.
Or do you think that by the time I'm having to deal with that, I will have enough in my repertoire that taking dispel magic isn't such a big deal anymore?It is very very good against magical traps, but most magical hazards have a non-magic way around them (usually requiring expert in thievery and/or another relevant skill).It's actually a very good 2nd level signature spell for Sorcerers if it makes sense thematically for your character. Back to the original question. Sorcerer? I don't see an imbalance to my interpretation, as using Dispel Magic blows a level 5 spell slot, regardless of what the enemy caster is casting (woo hoo, I blocked that cantrip...), and if I blow the dispel check it's all for naught, whereas the regular counterspell is 100% effective and only uses a spell slot of the same (relative) level.Counterspell can counter a spell while it is being cast, the spell level of the spell being countered doesn't matter.It can not be used to counter spell like abilities, or supernatural ones. Area Dispel: When greater dispel magic is used in this way, the spell affects everything within a 20-foot-radius burst. In both cases, it can be said that you are "counterspelling' and it can be said that you are "dispelling" the Darkness - both terms are correct.Obviously, this won't work on instant spells because those don't stick around long enough for you to wander by and counterspell them at a later time. Pathfinder Maps, Pawns Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber The rule text of Dispel Magic says for the targeted dispel: Targeted Dispel: One object, creature, or spell is the target of the dispel magic spell. How our DnD group has always treated it was that you could ready an action to cast dispel magic on whatever magic the other caster is going to cast.That way, you're essentially casting at the exact same time, so if you cast dispel magic at the same time as that fireball, even if its duration is instantaneous, well so is yours. If you have such an action readied, and the target of your readied action attempts to cast a spell, you can attempt to identify the spell as it is being cast. But what about counterspelling it? Pathfinder Maps, Pawns Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
On the other hand I do find it useful for getting rid of an opponents annoying buffs. And if one is trying to negate a spell effect that is in place from an already cast spell, then he is trying to dispel the spell effect and must use those mechanics.Thanks everyone, you all seem to be basically in agreement with me - I just hope my DM will agree ;)One clarification though - according to the rules there is no need for a caster to make a spellcraft check to identify the spell being cast if they are using Dispel Magic:However, it would likely be a good idea to do so so that you don't end up blowing your Dispel Magic on a silly little cantrip.If you look carefully at Charender's step-by-step, that's taken into account.
And in the specific case of a Darkness spell effect, you can dispel it with certain light-based spells, such as Daylight. Once that instant spell is cast, it's already done; it's too late for you to do anything about it, even if your turn in the initiative order is immediately after the guy who just cast the instant spell.The hard way is to plan ahead, ready an action for a spellcaster to begin casting a spell, then when he does, you interrupt him by cating the same spell as a counterspell, or by casting Dispel Magic as a counterspell. As Lathiira stated counterspelling is counter spelling. It doesn't matter if you use the exact spell, dispel magic or (with the use of improved counterspelling feat) a spell of the same school of magic you still counter the spell -- a spell that is countered doesn't take effect therefore its duration is meaningless.You can't dispel an instantaneous spell effect but you can counter it.Dispel magic also has a duration of instantaneous. In the second case, the Dispel Magic spell targets the spellcaster and 'grounds out' their magic as they are casting it, or as a party member put it, it powers the counterspell. Dispelling is the action of negating a spell effect from an already cast spell.The two actions have very distinct differences when dealing with the mechanics of the game.In your example of walking by a Darkness spell effect, it cannot be counterspelled because it is already in effect and has thus already been cast.
He would simply ready an action to cast dispel if the enemy caster types did anything besides just movement or melee.
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